Quote from NitroNitrous :

I use my nickname, iRacing doesn´t know my real name and there is no problem

Good to know. But since you must have used a credit card, how come they didn't use that name?

Yes, but I don't have to tell anyone that data to use the card.

Quote from Jertje :

The name on your Credit Card is used, so unless you're committing somekind of credit fraud and have your CC registered under a false identity you'll be in the system with your real name

Perhaps if there is a major privacy issue the iRacing team would be willing to allow an alias? It's a very far-fetched idea and I hadn't thought of it really, but they are able to change names, and if you can argue your point it might work

Name on the credit card? My full name isn't even on my credit card (too long) and the Umlauts are written with extra "e"s inserted.

So apart from the fact that I don't see a valid reason for displaying my real life identity publicly on the internet, the credit card name would look pretty ugly as well.

Ah, after race they probably stopped restricting the F1 paddock from the rest of the paddock, but I don't know if that's always the case. I agree that getting to see F1 from the inside would make the trip more worthwhile but as I said, the people working in F1 are again separated from the rest of the F1 paddock. You'll only get to see them when they go from the pit area to the team hospitality. I certainly wouldn't pay or miss the race for that.

Last edited by J.B., Fri 15 Aug 2008, 01:29.

I can't see how FBMW paddock access is going to get you anywhere near F1 drivers. Either he was with a FBMW team and had access to the pitlane during the FBMW races because of that or he spent his entire day lurking around at some access gate or something where all drivers have to pass sooner or later.

But since you think watching the cars on the track is boring maybe that's more your thing.

Quote from chanoman315 :

before? after? pics with the drivers?

That won't really be worthwhile unless you get into the pit garage area, which is restricted to team members.

Quick question: do you really have to use your real name to race? Or is a name that sounds real good enough?

What's the point of being in the paddock during the race (unless you're working there)?

Quote from Shotglass :

...sort of like the way you can make stars explode by collapsing their photons waveforms millions of years later.

Nice. Who needs boring car analogies?

Concerning the rest of your post I guess the question I'm asking is if Kutta–Joukowski can fully explain the downforce from a Venturi undertray or if it only describes true airfoils. Perhaps time to start going through those CFD tutorials I've been wanting to do for ages now...

Quote from ATC Quicksilver :

Don't forgot ground effect downforce was what effectively killed Aryton Senna, because his tyre pressure was too low after the safety car period, and his car bottomed out, losing most of its downforce in doing so.

But if that wasn't the real reason then banning them was just a knee jerk reaction that got us to where we are today.

Looks like you're right that a pure Venturi undertray still causes circulation. But I think it's true that a Venturi underfloor will achieve the pressure differential while creating much less upwash than a wing. And less upwash means less vortices. But does this mean the Venturi causes more or less circulation? (I never could figure out those pesky vector integrals)

Quote from Shotglass :

the venturi effect as used in cars should be describeable via the circulation

Hmm, you sure about that? I understood them as two fundamentally different concepts. One relies on creating an upwash of air while the other one creates a sucking effect due to low pressure under the car.

Quote from Lateralus :

You are aware of next year's rule changes, right? Of course they aren't absolutely guaranteed to produce closer racing, but collectively they seem like they'll have that effect. Much less downforce and less disturbed air behind cars, which should make it easier to follow through fast corners, slick tires, KERS and so forth. 2009 should be a great season.

I'm not that optimistic. Creating DF by using the concept of Circulation, as F1 cars and airplanes do, will always create a wake that causes problems for the cars behind. It doesn't matter if the car is low DF or high DF, the following car won't be able to stay close.

The Venturi Effect on the other hand produces no such physically inherent wake.

Currently the only series I know of that uses the Venturi Effect is GP2 (you can tell by the skirts on the bottom of the sidepods).

Now anyone who follows other racing series than F1 will know where the best single seater racing takes place...

Having said that, I do think that F1 isn't that bad ATM, compared for example to F3 or DTM, TC ban has made a big difference in terms of creating opportunities from bad exits.

Quote from Hyperactive :

It works with the skippie. The whole idea is to never counter steer, whenever the rear feels like it steps out too much just steer more into the corner. Maybe just use counter steering on corner exits as final way to prevent totally messing your exit. This techique was one of the biggest gripes I had with GPL and the same basically works in the skippie. I haven't tested it with other cars though and the whole effect is far less pronounced in the skippie than it was in previous papy sims - but it is still there.

It's not about saving the car from icy spin by quickly swinging your wheel to full lock, it's basically all about stubborningly forcing the car to take certain trajectory and not listening what the rear tyres are saying . (not to mention that the whole driving technique is so damn unnatural and unlogical for me to use)

Thx for the info. Since I'm not going to pay any money to give the physics a test drive I've been wondering about whether this age old papy problem has been addressed. The moment I discovered how easy it is to drive GPL cars with this technique I never started it up again.

Massa's T1 move was outrageous! It's strange with him, sometimes looks such a n00b and sometimes a true champ.

Did anyone else think Ron and Heikki made themselves look a bit stupid by blaming Massa for blowing his engine by pushing too hard? Couldn't you apply the same theory to Hamilton's tyre problem?

IMO, unless there's some obvious big mistake, if the car can't take what the driver is giving it, it's either just bad luck or an engineering problem.

Quote from my clipboard :

Accelerate

I've no idea why.

An real modern autmatic gearbox comes with a lot of software and a nice computer to run its software...and simulate this in a race-simulator? Not a good idea, to expensive to build into lfs i think and no added value to the simulation.
-100!

Quote from mythdat :

What position is that? Directly in front of him, blocking the inside line?

Are you saying Massa moved to the left because he wanted to hand Hamilton P2? The reason he moved is because he didn't believe that Hamilton would be able to outbrake him and still make the corner, since he had to start braking on the very right of the track. And because he was scared that if he would brake on the right himself Hamilton might take him around the outside. Hamilton anticipated this and made the move work perfectly.

Of course they decide not to fight: once they are in a position where they couldn't keep him from passing anyway.

Quote from mythdat :

It was as easy as overtaking backmarkers, they didn't defend.

Because he didn't give them a chance to.

Incredible stuff by Hamilton. He gets himself out of a tactical messup by his team, he makes overtaking two race leaders look as easy as taking backmarkers. And look at the difference in Pace between him and Kovalainen!

Good idea! +1

On kv-tracks, it is very annoying the speedlimit is just 80kph. 100kph or 120kph would be a lot better.

Hello all,

I don' t see much complaints anymore about the tyres. I have been driving the FO8 and bf1 since patch Z. I am very dissapointed the tyres-overheating problem is still there. There is not one track where R2 tyres can be used on the bf1, irl on some tracks very very soft tyres were used in 2006

Same for FO8, it really feels like the FO8 and BF1 are using the same quality/spec tyres as the fox, which is not realistic.

What is most noticable, the tyres don' t cool down on straights. So on tight tracks with a realistic setup (R3, not much camber and not max pressure but "real life" pressure) tyres tent to heat up slowly lap after lap.. and get overheated after about 5 laps. Whatever you try to get it fixed... irl it takes a lot of rolling resistance to get this effect, i really think real tyres are better then the ones in lfs.


Please don' t reply about telling tyres heat up at high speeds, at monza f1 often also use soft compound! So that effect is not that bad irl and i am aware of that effect espacially if tyre-pressure is too low.

I call BS. 200 000 will hardly pay the salaries of a decent team. It's just MaXXX hitting out at anyone he can think of.

Quote from Esrever :

Ah thanks for that.

I just got my new laptop with Vista last friday.
First time using Vista and I'm thinking I'm doing something totally wrong

This really has nothing todo with vista. Lfs with patch y31 works great on vista too. In fact, any version i had on vista ran fine. All errors and crashes(very rare) i had were because of bugs in lfs or overheated graphics card and not related to the OS.


I only tested the fzr until, because i read the center of grivity was lowered. It now feels more like a gtr/supercar Instead of the suv drive i used to be. Great! But i have to admit i haven' driven much gtr ' s since the 4wd was adjusted to be just as fast as the rwd gtr' s.(4wd gtr should be banned! or have a huge handicap)

Quote from Töki (HUN) :

I don't like his childish behavior.... Cutting the track and gainig a position with it.

wtf has leaving the track because of oversteer have to do with being childish? I'm beginning to wonder how many of you even saw the incident. Did they show it from onboard in the world feed? He passed Vettel, turned in, got oversteer, countersteered and left the track. He was already completly past Vettel when he had the OS moment. That's not the same as braking too late, not even trying to make the corner and accelerating along the escape route, overtaking another car on the way.

I'll agree that he and the team should have anticipated the problem and played safe by letting Vettel through but the penalty was still way out of line.